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		<title>By: Carmine</title>
		<link>http://augustafreepress.com/2009/10/21/letter-sarah-longwell/comment-page-1/#comment-88616</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still wondering about the Gene Roddenberry front group :-)   Make it so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still wondering about the Gene Roddenberry front group <img src='http://augustafreepress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />    Make it so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Speer</title>
		<link>http://augustafreepress.com/2009/10/21/letter-sarah-longwell/comment-page-1/#comment-83108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Speer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual the predatory lenders talk about the services they provide and how the truth in lending laws don&#039;t apply to them.  Predatory lenders do not provide a service--they are a scam.  Why do they all say things like: no credit check!, bad credit-no problem!, first loan free!, fast cash in 15 minutes!, etc, etc?  Because the real money is made on those that get trapped and can&#039;t pay it back.  Instead they pay and pay while they sink deeper into debt.  A real loan is when the creditor takes a look at the borrower&#039;s financial condition and decides that a loan can safely be made, that the loan will be paid successfully and it will be mutually beneficial.  That doesn&#039;t even remotely resemble a payday, car title or other predatory &quot;loan&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual the predatory lenders talk about the services they provide and how the truth in lending laws don&#8217;t apply to them.  Predatory lenders do not provide a service&#8211;they are a scam.  Why do they all say things like: no credit check!, bad credit-no problem!, first loan free!, fast cash in 15 minutes!, etc, etc?  Because the real money is made on those that get trapped and can&#8217;t pay it back.  Instead they pay and pay while they sink deeper into debt.  A real loan is when the creditor takes a look at the borrower&#8217;s financial condition and decides that a loan can safely be made, that the loan will be paid successfully and it will be mutually beneficial.  That doesn&#8217;t even remotely resemble a payday, car title or other predatory &#8220;loan&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan458</title>
		<link>http://augustafreepress.com/2009/10/21/letter-sarah-longwell/comment-page-1/#comment-82748</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan458</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, a 36 percent cap would kill the payday lending industry. You are using an annual percentage rate on a loan that is typically only for two weeks. A payday lender could only charge $1.38 per $100 borrowed at the rate limit you speak of. It costs way more than that for the loan company to do business.

Here is a report on the cost of doing business in the short-term, unsecured market: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS106466+13-Oct-2009+PRN20091013

If you can figure out a way to offer a two week loan, whether its payday lending or some other way, at a 36 percent APR, then you have done something amazing. Credit unions sometimes offer short term loans with much smaller APR, but they are usually backed up by other loan fees and membership charges. 

Also, when you use that APR system on fees and short-term loans, it balloons the figures. Consider the FDIC reports that bank overdraft can exceed 3,000 percent APR in some cases. http://www.fdic.gov/bank/analytical/overdraft/

Thank you for your constructive debate and offering this forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, a 36 percent cap would kill the payday lending industry. You are using an annual percentage rate on a loan that is typically only for two weeks. A payday lender could only charge $1.38 per $100 borrowed at the rate limit you speak of. It costs way more than that for the loan company to do business.</p>
<p>Here is a report on the cost of doing business in the short-term, unsecured market: <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS106466+13-Oct-2009+PRN20091013" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS106466+13-Oct-2009+PRN20091013</a></p>
<p>If you can figure out a way to offer a two week loan, whether its payday lending or some other way, at a 36 percent APR, then you have done something amazing. Credit unions sometimes offer short term loans with much smaller APR, but they are usually backed up by other loan fees and membership charges. </p>
<p>Also, when you use that APR system on fees and short-term loans, it balloons the figures. Consider the FDIC reports that bank overdraft can exceed 3,000 percent APR in some cases. <a href="http://www.fdic.gov/bank/analytical/overdraft/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fdic.gov/bank/analytical/overdraft/</a></p>
<p>Thank you for your constructive debate and offering this forum.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 36 percent rate does work. It&#039;s the standard in place for the rest of the lending industry. Payday lenders get a special dispensation to charge APR above that rate.

I&#039;m not suggesting legislation killing the payday-lending industry. What I&#039;m suggesting is a level playing field for lenders that in itself protects low-income consumers from having to pay much higher rates of interest for short-term loans than all other blocs of consumers have to pay for their lending needs.

The payday-lending industry dresses up what it does as that it&#039;s providing a service. I would suggest that it needs to figure out a way to provide the service using the same interest-rate structure that everybody else has to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 36 percent rate does work. It&#8217;s the standard in place for the rest of the lending industry. Payday lenders get a special dispensation to charge APR above that rate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting legislation killing the payday-lending industry. What I&#8217;m suggesting is a level playing field for lenders that in itself protects low-income consumers from having to pay much higher rates of interest for short-term loans than all other blocs of consumers have to pay for their lending needs.</p>
<p>The payday-lending industry dresses up what it does as that it&#8217;s providing a service. I would suggest that it needs to figure out a way to provide the service using the same interest-rate structure that everybody else has to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan458</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan458</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in the financial industry with specific interest in payday lending issues. I make no secret of that. It&#039;s an interesting time for all financial sectors. 

I do applaud you Mr. Graham for publishing the letter by the Consumer Freedom group even though you clearly oppose their view. 

I would really be interested in hearing your view on how to best adequately serve the short-term credit market. I really don&#039;t think the 36 percent rate you mentioned works. That pretty much kills all short term credit, as the Dartmouth suggests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in the financial industry with specific interest in payday lending issues. I make no secret of that. It&#8217;s an interesting time for all financial sectors. </p>
<p>I do applaud you Mr. Graham for publishing the letter by the Consumer Freedom group even though you clearly oppose their view. </p>
<p>I would really be interested in hearing your view on how to best adequately serve the short-term credit market. I really don&#8217;t think the 36 percent rate you mentioned works. That pretty much kills all short term credit, as the Dartmouth suggests.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan458</title>
		<link>http://augustafreepress.com/2009/10/21/letter-sarah-longwell/comment-page-1/#comment-82733</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan458</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind ... Stupid me. The Augusta Free Press. Gotcha. But what are your solutions to fixing the problem, Mr. Graham. That Dartmouth report said cutting payday lending leads to people using bad subsitutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind &#8230; Stupid me. The Augusta Free Press. Gotcha. But what are your solutions to fixing the problem, Mr. Graham. That Dartmouth report said cutting payday lending leads to people using bad subsitutes.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
		<link>http://augustafreepress.com/2009/10/21/letter-sarah-longwell/comment-page-1/#comment-82732</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AFP is a locally-owned news source based in Waynesboro, Va., that serves the Greater Augusta media market (Waynesboro, Staunton and Augusta County).

Its purpose is to inform, educate and instill vigorous and ethical debate on the issues of the day affecting our readers.

The AFP is not a bank, credit union, credit-card company or other kind of financial institution. It is not owned by any such institution.

Curious - what is Ryan458&#039;s purpose? The Ryan458 name popped up in a Google search this morning commenting elsewhere on the payday-lending issue. That&#039;s why I ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AFP is a locally-owned news source based in Waynesboro, Va., that serves the Greater Augusta media market (Waynesboro, Staunton and Augusta County).</p>
<p>Its purpose is to inform, educate and instill vigorous and ethical debate on the issues of the day affecting our readers.</p>
<p>The AFP is not a bank, credit union, credit-card company or other kind of financial institution. It is not owned by any such institution.</p>
<p>Curious &#8211; what is Ryan458&#8242;s purpose? The Ryan458 name popped up in a Google search this morning commenting elsewhere on the payday-lending issue. That&#8217;s why I ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan458</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan458</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the AFP and it&#039;s purpose? Do you have something that adequately serves the market for low-income Americans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the AFP and it&#8217;s purpose? Do you have something that adequately serves the market for low-income Americans?</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
		<link>http://augustafreepress.com/2009/10/21/letter-sarah-longwell/comment-page-1/#comment-82718</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like we got astroturfed on this. Typing &quot;New York Times Magazine&quot; and &quot;payday lending&quot; into the Googler, I found this from a letter to the editor of the Washington Times, published June 25, 2009:

- An article in the New York Times Magazine last year highlighted the difficulty for many Americans of accessing consumer credit. It took a balanced look at the services offered by short-term payday lenders and found them to be a valuable financial service because they offer easy-to-understand conditions with &quot;no surprises, no hidden fees,&quot; unlike many banks. 

On the heels of the Times&#039; article came a Dartmouth College study looking at a 2007 payday lending ban in Oregon. That study concluded that banning financial options ended up hurting Oregon borrowers and forced them to turn to inferior substitutes like bounced checks and overdraft fees. 

Adults are best served when they can choose among many competing financial options. 

SAMANTHA O&#039;NEIL 

Center for Consumer Freedom 

Washington 

Link - http://bit.ly/23h5Xm.


And then this from a letter published in the Springfield News Leader on Dec. 4, 2008:

- Two weeks ago, an article in the New York Times Magazine highlighted the difficulty of accessing consumer credit facing many Americans.

The article took a balanced look at the services offered by short-term payday lenders, finding that payday loans are a valuable financial tool since they offer easy-to-understand conditions, with &quot;no surprises, no hidden fees,&quot; (unlike many banks, which are offering these same kinds of loans but without being demonized by media and political elites).

On the heels of the Times article came a Dartmouth College study looking at a 2007 payday lending ban in Oregon. They concluded that banning financial options ended up hurting Oregon borrowers, and forced them to turn to inferior substitutes like bounced checks. Borrowers are best served when they have more choices to pick from.

Tim Miller Center for Consumer Freedom, Washington, D.C. 

Link - http://bit.ly/1pshPI.

It took some searching, but I finally found a link to the article in the NYT Magazine. Link - http://bit.ly/12zM6J.

It&#039;s good reading. It&#039;s also long. Scan it, and you might get the same sense that I do. It did give a balanced look at payday lenders in the context of banking services for low-income Americans available in the traditional banking and credit industries. And the final analysis is - payday lenders, banks and credit companies all fail to adequately serve that market.

The Dartmouth study appears to be legit. Link - http://bit.ly/1j7F58. It also gives a balanced view toward payday lenders in the context of the overall banking and credit market.

The bipartisan push to restrict payday lenders to a 36 percent APR is one we have long championed here at the AFP. That push is what we are shilling for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like we got astroturfed on this. Typing &#8220;New York Times Magazine&#8221; and &#8220;payday lending&#8221; into the Googler, I found this from a letter to the editor of the Washington Times, published June 25, 2009:</p>
<p>- An article in the New York Times Magazine last year highlighted the difficulty for many Americans of accessing consumer credit. It took a balanced look at the services offered by short-term payday lenders and found them to be a valuable financial service because they offer easy-to-understand conditions with &#8220;no surprises, no hidden fees,&#8221; unlike many banks. </p>
<p>On the heels of the Times&#8217; article came a Dartmouth College study looking at a 2007 payday lending ban in Oregon. That study concluded that banning financial options ended up hurting Oregon borrowers and forced them to turn to inferior substitutes like bounced checks and overdraft fees. </p>
<p>Adults are best served when they can choose among many competing financial options. </p>
<p>SAMANTHA O&#8217;NEIL </p>
<p>Center for Consumer Freedom </p>
<p>Washington </p>
<p>Link &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/23h5Xm" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/23h5Xm</a>.</p>
<p>And then this from a letter published in the Springfield News Leader on Dec. 4, 2008:</p>
<p>- Two weeks ago, an article in the New York Times Magazine highlighted the difficulty of accessing consumer credit facing many Americans.</p>
<p>The article took a balanced look at the services offered by short-term payday lenders, finding that payday loans are a valuable financial tool since they offer easy-to-understand conditions, with &#8220;no surprises, no hidden fees,&#8221; (unlike many banks, which are offering these same kinds of loans but without being demonized by media and political elites).</p>
<p>On the heels of the Times article came a Dartmouth College study looking at a 2007 payday lending ban in Oregon. They concluded that banning financial options ended up hurting Oregon borrowers, and forced them to turn to inferior substitutes like bounced checks. Borrowers are best served when they have more choices to pick from.</p>
<p>Tim Miller Center for Consumer Freedom, Washington, D.C. </p>
<p>Link &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/1pshPI" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1pshPI</a>.</p>
<p>It took some searching, but I finally found a link to the article in the NYT Magazine. Link &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/12zM6J" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/12zM6J</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good reading. It&#8217;s also long. Scan it, and you might get the same sense that I do. It did give a balanced look at payday lenders in the context of banking services for low-income Americans available in the traditional banking and credit industries. And the final analysis is &#8211; payday lenders, banks and credit companies all fail to adequately serve that market.</p>
<p>The Dartmouth study appears to be legit. Link &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/1j7F58" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1j7F58</a>. It also gives a balanced view toward payday lenders in the context of the overall banking and credit market.</p>
<p>The bipartisan push to restrict payday lenders to a 36 percent APR is one we have long championed here at the AFP. That push is what we are shilling for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan458</title>
		<link>http://augustafreepress.com/2009/10/21/letter-sarah-longwell/comment-page-1/#comment-82714</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan458</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris seems to know a lot about this. What&#039;s your interests? Who are you shilling for?

This letter by the Center for Consumer Freedom is not much opinion. It&#039;s pointing out research by The New York Times and Dartmouth College. How does that not seem fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris seems to know a lot about this. What&#8217;s your interests? Who are you shilling for?</p>
<p>This letter by the Center for Consumer Freedom is not much opinion. It&#8217;s pointing out research by The New York Times and Dartmouth College. How does that not seem fair?</p>
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