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	<title>Comments on: William Owens Jr.: Obama&#8217;s speeches don&#8217;t talk much about history</title>
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		<title>By: Patrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well when the economy plumits because of the fiscal irresponsibility of the republican congress, then lets see we have no choice. The 700 billion dollar bailout plan is nothing short of socialism.  We have become a socialist country, minus welfare reform. So Karl Marx was right. You cannot deny that. Freedom will always be limited in a society that tests the very people who work hard and get nothing in return from money hogging people who hide behind wall street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well when the economy plumits because of the fiscal irresponsibility of the republican congress, then lets see we have no choice. The 700 billion dollar bailout plan is nothing short of socialism.  We have become a socialist country, minus welfare reform. So Karl Marx was right. You cannot deny that. Freedom will always be limited in a society that tests the very people who work hard and get nothing in return from money hogging people who hide behind wall street.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s big of you to admit it, LD. Sorry to have angered you. Honestly, you got under my collar a bit, too, and I apologize for letting myself get upset and probably showing that in my responses. You&#039;re welcome to join us here anytime, under either name. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s big of you to admit it, LD. Sorry to have angered you. Honestly, you got under my collar a bit, too, and I apologize for letting myself get upset and probably showing that in my responses. You&#8217;re welcome to join us here anytime, under either name. <img src='http://augustafreepress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are right Chris.  I used to use wayne_rider and later added LD.  To be completely honest I was very angry at the way you talked to me yesterday.  I was very angry and in anger at you i mislead you and the other readers.  Despite the fact that I thought you were truly a jerk and mean, I should not have done that.  I opologize to you but moreso to the other ones that came to my defense.  I think if you can get under my skin this bad then I need to stop reading and posing here.  Once again my sincere opologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are right Chris.  I used to use wayne_rider and later added LD.  To be completely honest I was very angry at the way you talked to me yesterday.  I was very angry and in anger at you i mislead you and the other readers.  Despite the fact that I thought you were truly a jerk and mean, I should not have done that.  I opologize to you but moreso to the other ones that came to my defense.  I think if you can get under my skin this bad then I need to stop reading and posing here.  Once again my sincere opologies.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
		<link>http://augustafreepress.com/2008/09/25/william-owens-jr-obamas-speeches-dont-talk-much-about-history/comment-page-1/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another check of past postings shows more interchangeability between LD and Wayne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another check of past postings shows more interchangeability between LD and Wayne.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something uncomfortable to have to bring up. Our commenters Wayne and LD here in this thread are posting from the same IP address. And it&#039;s not just here in this thread. LD posted from the same IP address in another ongoing thread this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something uncomfortable to have to bring up. Our commenters Wayne and LD here in this thread are posting from the same IP address. And it&#8217;s not just here in this thread. LD posted from the same IP address in another ongoing thread this week.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and for LD - thanks for having my back on this, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and for LD &#8211; thanks for having my back on this, man.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A note to readers: Bill&#039;s comment above ended up in the spam filter for a while this afternoon because of a gltich in the spam-filter software.

I have the filter set to catch comments with more than one link in them to shield us from the stream of porn and financial junk e-mails that we would otherwise get here. I scan it daily, and we sometimes have upwards of 400 spam e-mails a day to delete.

If anybody posts in the future and doesn&#039;t see their comment on the site for some reason, e-mail me and let me know. I can retrieve messages from the spam filter quickly and easily, but I might otherwise miss your message in my daily scans of the junk e-mail if I don&#039;t know to look for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note to readers: Bill&#8217;s comment above ended up in the spam filter for a while this afternoon because of a gltich in the spam-filter software.</p>
<p>I have the filter set to catch comments with more than one link in them to shield us from the stream of porn and financial junk e-mails that we would otherwise get here. I scan it daily, and we sometimes have upwards of 400 spam e-mails a day to delete.</p>
<p>If anybody posts in the future and doesn&#8217;t see their comment on the site for some reason, e-mail me and let me know. I can retrieve messages from the spam filter quickly and easily, but I might otherwise miss your message in my daily scans of the junk e-mail if I don&#8217;t know to look for it.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne, good investigatory work on those two bits there. I chafed at your blanket statement that Obama tells lies, but it would be hard to dress these examples up and make them look pretty.

I tried to keep your on your toes, and now you&#039;re keeping me on my toes. Kudos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, good investigatory work on those two bits there. I chafed at your blanket statement that Obama tells lies, but it would be hard to dress these examples up and make them look pretty.</p>
<p>I tried to keep your on your toes, and now you&#8217;re keeping me on my toes. Kudos.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle Jenkins wrote me some time in the past to try to fling mud at the good name of a local social-conservative pastor who wrote a column for the AFP for a few yeara and whose church was at the center of allegations against Michelle in a criminal case.

She is right in her comment above that I heard her out and then decided against siding with her against the pastor and his church. Since that point in time, she has made it a point to attack me personally on this website any time I make comments on local or national politics that she feels are out of line with her views.

I had decided not to share the story about her push to have us remove our columnist because I didn&#039;t think it appropriate to air her dirty laundry in a public setting. She unfortunately has chosen to do so now, at least in part, without offering full details of her story, just the parts that she hopes will make our readers think ill of me, and so I bring the rest of the story up now only to defend myself against her malicious attack here.

It saddens me that someone would try to take advantage of me in this way - both in the first instance, to try to use her relationship with me to gain a measure of personal revenge against somebody with whom she was in a dispute, and then now, to reference the backstory to my rebuff of that inappropriate request in passing with only bare details so as to make me out to be a horrible person and then take the high and mighty road by saying that she is going to move on.

Best wishes, Michelle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle Jenkins wrote me some time in the past to try to fling mud at the good name of a local social-conservative pastor who wrote a column for the AFP for a few yeara and whose church was at the center of allegations against Michelle in a criminal case.</p>
<p>She is right in her comment above that I heard her out and then decided against siding with her against the pastor and his church. Since that point in time, she has made it a point to attack me personally on this website any time I make comments on local or national politics that she feels are out of line with her views.</p>
<p>I had decided not to share the story about her push to have us remove our columnist because I didn&#8217;t think it appropriate to air her dirty laundry in a public setting. She unfortunately has chosen to do so now, at least in part, without offering full details of her story, just the parts that she hopes will make our readers think ill of me, and so I bring the rest of the story up now only to defend myself against her malicious attack here.</p>
<p>It saddens me that someone would try to take advantage of me in this way &#8211; both in the first instance, to try to use her relationship with me to gain a measure of personal revenge against somebody with whom she was in a dispute, and then now, to reference the backstory to my rebuff of that inappropriate request in passing with only bare details so as to make me out to be a horrible person and then take the high and mighty road by saying that she is going to move on.</p>
<p>Best wishes, Michelle.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Dolack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Dolack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried posting this before and for some reason it didn’t go, so I’m trying it again.

And just to flesh out what Wayne had said about the Obama/Wright situation:

Before breaking ties with Jeremiah Wright, Obama – who attended this church for close to 20 years – said, “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.” (1)

 Yet, during an interview with Chicago Sun-Times reporter Cathleen Falsani, when asked if he still attends Trinity, Obama replied, “Yep. Every week. 11 o’clock service. Ever been there? Good service.” (2)

So, if Obama was telling the truth when he said he was at Trinity “every week,” he was there when Wright preached at least some of his incendiary sermons. If he wasn’t there to hear Wright, then he lied when he said he attended “every week.”

Also, Obama appeared on the cover of The Trumpet, Trinity’s magazine, several times. Wright had his outrageous words that “have no place in our public dialogue, whether it&#039;s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit” (according to Obama’s belated denunciation), printed within the covers of these magazines, yet Obama claims to have had no knowledge of them until the beginning of his presidential campaign?

A sitting United States Senator most definitely has staff tracking EVERY mention in the media. And believe me, if you’re mentioned in a magazine, your staff is posing over the magazine, checking every jot and tittle.

Without a doubt, Obama was aware of Wright’s beliefs prior to starting his presidential campaign.

(1)	 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html
(2)	http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried posting this before and for some reason it didn’t go, so I’m trying it again.</p>
<p>And just to flesh out what Wayne had said about the Obama/Wright situation:</p>
<p>Before breaking ties with Jeremiah Wright, Obama – who attended this church for close to 20 years – said, “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.” (1)</p>
<p> Yet, during an interview with Chicago Sun-Times reporter Cathleen Falsani, when asked if he still attends Trinity, Obama replied, “Yep. Every week. 11 o’clock service. Ever been there? Good service.” (2)</p>
<p>So, if Obama was telling the truth when he said he was at Trinity “every week,” he was there when Wright preached at least some of his incendiary sermons. If he wasn’t there to hear Wright, then he lied when he said he attended “every week.”</p>
<p>Also, Obama appeared on the cover of The Trumpet, Trinity’s magazine, several times. Wright had his outrageous words that “have no place in our public dialogue, whether it&#8217;s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit” (according to Obama’s belated denunciation), printed within the covers of these magazines, yet Obama claims to have had no knowledge of them until the beginning of his presidential campaign?</p>
<p>A sitting United States Senator most definitely has staff tracking EVERY mention in the media. And believe me, if you’re mentioned in a magazine, your staff is posing over the magazine, checking every jot and tittle.</p>
<p>Without a doubt, Obama was aware of Wright’s beliefs prior to starting his presidential campaign.</p>
<p>(1)	 <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html</a><br />
(2)	<a href="http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html" rel="nofollow">http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html</a></p>
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